A bumper crop on VOSA for Plymouth Citybus yesterday which are given below. As usual its best to wait for full details before jumping to conclusions as often these notices are vague at best, and sometimes it takes a day or two before the full picture emerges:
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PH0000135/5 - PLYMOUTH CITYBUS LTD, MILEHOUSE, MILEHOUSE ROAD, PLYMOUTH, PL3 4AA
- Variation Accepted: Operating between PLYMOUTH Royal Parade and DERRIFORD Hospital given service number 28/28B effective from 20-Apr-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.
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PH0000135/6 - PLYMOUTH CITYBUS LTD, MILEHOUSE, MILEHOUSE ROAD, PLYMOUTH, PL3 4AA
- Variation Accepted: Operating between PLYMOUTH Royal Parade and PLYMOUTH Royal Parade given service number 23/24 effective from 20-Apr-2014. To amend Timetable.
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PH0000135/7 - PLYMOUTH CITYBUS LTD, MILEHOUSE, MILEHOUSE ROAD, PLYMOUTH, PL3 4AA
- Variation Accepted: Operating between PLYMOUTH Royal Parade and SOUTHWAY given service number 40/41 effective from 20-Apr-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.
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PH0000135/8 - PLYMOUTH CITYBUS LTD, MILEHOUSE, MILEHOUSE ROAD, PLYMOUTH, PL3 4AA
- Variation Accepted: Operating between TAMERTON FOLIOT and ROYAL PARADE given service number 42/42A effective from 20-Apr-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.
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PH0000135/9 - PLYMOUTH CITYBUS LTD, MILEHOUSE, MILEHOUSE ROAD, PLYMOUTH, PL3 4AA
- Variation Accepted: Operating between PLYMOUTH Royal Parade and PLYMOUTH Royal Parade given service number 43 effective from 20-Apr-2014. To amend Timetable.
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PH0000135/10 - PLYMOUTH CITYBUS LTD, MILEHOUSE, MILEHOUSE ROAD, PLYMOUTH, PL3 4AA
- Variation Accepted: Operating between PLYMOUTH, ROYAL PARADE and WHITLEIGH given service number 44/44A effective from 20-Apr-2014. To amend Timetable.
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PH0000135/34 - PLYMOUTH CITYBUS LTD, MILEHOUSE, MILEHOUSE ROAD, PLYMOUTH, PL3 4AA
- Cancellation Accepted: Operating between LAUNCESTON and PCFE PARADISE ROAD given service number 122/136 effective from 20-Apr-2014.
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PH0000135/35 - PLYMOUTH CITYBUS LTD, MILEHOUSE, MILEHOUSE ROAD, PLYMOUTH, PL3 4AA
- Cancellation Accepted: Operating between LISKEARD Railway Station and CIRCULAR given service number 121/125/134 effective from 20-Apr-2014.
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PH0000135/36 - PLYMOUTH CITYBUS LTD, MILEHOUSE, MILEHOUSE ROAD, PLYMOUTH, PL3 4AA
- Cancellation Accepted: Operating between KINGSBRIDGE Bus Station and PCFE GOSCHEN CENTRE given service number 133/134 effective from 20-Apr-2014.
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PH0000135/37 - PLYMOUTH CITYBUS LTD, MILEHOUSE, MILEHOUSE ROAD, PLYMOUTH, PL3 4AA
- Cancellation Accepted: Operating between LOOE Health Centre and PCFE PARADISE ROAD given service number 135 effective from 20-Apr-2014.
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PH0000135/38 - PLYMOUTH CITYBUS LTD, MILEHOUSE, MILEHOUSE ROAD, PLYMOUTH, PL3 4AA
- Cancellation Accepted: Operating between IVYBRIDGE Cole Lane and PCFE GOSCHEN LANE given service number 132 effective from 20-Apr-2014.
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PH0000135/39 - PLYMOUTH CITYBUS LTD, MILEHOUSE, MILEHOUSE ROAD, PLYMOUTH, PL3 4AA
- Cancellation Accepted: Operating between UNION STREET and MILEHOUSE Bus Depot given service number 130/131 effective from 20-Apr-2014.
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PH0000135/42 - PLYMOUTH CITYBUS LTD, MILEHOUSE, MILEHOUSE ROAD, PLYMOUTH, PL3 4AA
- Variation Accepted: Operating between PLYMOUTH Royal Parade and HAM Merrivale Road given service number 35 effective from 20-Apr-2014. To amend Timetable.
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PH0000135/46 - PLYMOUTH CITYBUS LTD, MILEHOUSE, MILEHOUSE ROAD, PLYMOUTH, PL3 4AA
- Cancellation Accepted: Operating between TAMERTON FOLIOT and PCFE KINGS ROAD given service number 337 effective from 20-Apr-2014.
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PH0000135/51 - PLYMOUTH CITYBUS LTD, MILEHOUSE, MILEHOUSE ROAD, PLYMOUTH, PL3 4AA
- Cancellation Accepted: Operating between BUCKLAND Monachorum and TAVISTOCK Bus Station given service number 97 effective from 20-Apr-2014.
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PH0000135/53 - PLYMOUTH CITYBUS LTD, MILEHOUSE, MILEHOUSE ROAD, PLYMOUTH, PL3 4AA
- Variation Accepted: Operating between PLYMOUTH Royal Parade and ESTOVER given service number 34 effective from 20-Apr-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.
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PH0000135/57 - PLYMOUTH CITYBUS LTD, MILEHOUSE, MILEHOUSE ROAD, PLYMOUTH, PL3 4AA
- Cancellation Accepted: Operating between LISKEARD Post Office and BODMIN Mount Folly given service number 78 effective from 20-Apr-2014.
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PH0000135/66 - PLYMOUTH CITYBUS LTD, MILEHOUSE, MILEHOUSE ROAD, PLYMOUTH, PL3 4AA
- Cancellation Accepted: Operating between UNION STREET, PLYMOUTH and PLYMSTOCK AND PLYMTON given service number N4 effective from 20-Apr-2014.
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PH0000135/67 - PLYMOUTH CITYBUS LTD, MILEHOUSE, MILEHOUSE ROAD, PLYMOUTH, PL3 4AA
- Cancellation Accepted: Operating between PLYMOUTH, UNION STREET and DERRISFORD ROUNDABOUT, PLYMOUTH given service number N3 effective from 20-Apr-2014.
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PH0000135/68 - PLYMOUTH CITYBUS LTD, MILEHOUSE, MILEHOUSE ROAD, PLYMOUTH, PL3 4AA
- Cancellation Accepted: Operating between PLYMOUTH, UNION STREET and PLYMOUTH, ERNESETTLE given service number N1 effective from 20-Apr-2014
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PH0000135/71 - PLYMOUTH CITYBUS LTD, MILEHOUSE, MILEHOUSE ROAD, PLYMOUTH, PL3 4AA
- Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Saltash, Pillmere and Derriford Hospital given service number 30 effective from 20-Apr-2014.
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PH0000135/75 - PLYMOUTH CITYBUS LTD, MILEHOUSE, MILEHOUSE ROAD, PLYMOUTH, PL3 4AA
- Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Bluebird and Barne Barton given service number 26A effective from 20-Apr-2014.
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PH0000135/76 - PLYMOUTH CITYBUS LTD, MILEHOUSE, MILEHOUSE ROAD, PLYMOUTH, PL3 4AA
- Variation Accepted: Operating between ROYAL PARADE and DERRIFORD HOSPITAL given service number 29/20A effective from 20-Apr-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.
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PH0000135/86 - PLYMOUTH CITYBUS LTD, MILEHOUSE, MILEHOUSE ROAD, PLYMOUTH, PL3 4AA
- Variation Accepted: Operating between Plymouth, Royal Parade and Plymouth, Royal Parade given service number 25 effective from 20-Apr-2014. To amend Timetable.
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PH0000135/94 - PLYMOUTH CITYBUS LTD, MILEHOUSE, MILEHOUSE ROAD, PLYMOUTH, PL3 4AA
- Variation Accepted: Operating between Saltash, Oaklands Green and Eldburton, Blackstone Close given service number 5/5A effective from 20-Apr-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.
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PH0000135/95 - PLYMOUTH CITYBUS LTD, MILEHOUSE, MILEHOUSE ROAD, PLYMOUTH, PL3 4AA
- Variation Accepted: Operating between Plymouth, Royal Parade and Plymouth, Royal Parade given service number 20/20A effective from 20-Apr-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.
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PH0000135/98 - PLYMOUTH CITYBUS LTD, MILEHOUSE, MILEHOUSE ROAD, PLYMOUTH, PL3 4AA
- Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Peverell, Cherry Tree and HMS Drake given service number 14D effective from 20-Apr-2014.
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PH0000135/100 - PLYMOUTH CITYBUS LTD, MILEHOUSE, MILEHOUSE ROAD, PLYMOUTH, PL3 4AA
- Variation Accepted: Operating between St Budeaux, Square and St Budeaux, Square given service number 21/21A effective from 20-Apr-2014. To amend Timetable.
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PH0000135/126 - PLYMOUTH CITYBUS LTD, MILEHOUSE, MILEHOUSE ROAD, PLYMOUTH, PL3 4AA
- Variation Accepted: Operating between Plymouth, Royal Parade and Plymouth, Royal Parade given service number 61/61A/62 effective from 20-Apr-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.
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PH0000135/146 - PLYMOUTH CITYBUS LTD, MILEHOUSE, MILEHOUSE ROAD, PLYMOUTH, PL3 4AA
- Variation Accepted: Operating between ROYAL PARADE and DERRIFORD given service number 27 effective from 20-Apr-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.
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PH0000135/148 - PLYMOUTH CITYBUS LTD, MILEHOUSE, MILEHOUSE ROAD, PLYMOUTH, PL3 4AA
- Variation Accepted: Operating between Plymouth, Royal Parade and Plymouth, Royal Parade given service number 33/33A effective from 20-Apr-2014. To amend Timetable.
.Plenty there for now, although some of these look like a bit of a tidying up exercise more than anything else as some relate to routes long closed!
I will be looking more closely at these over the coming days once all becomes clear.
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Well it would be 3 months since last change. Like the old FIRST isn't it?
ReplyDeleteI think the 34/42 is the easiest to predict what the changes are - my money's on one of the two serving the Royal William Yard and Durnford Street completely, taking over from the other one. I hope it's the 34 that gets put back down this stretch though!
ReplyDelete40/41 have route and timetable changes, 43 just timetable changes. Perhaps these are being split to be separate services again with the 40/41 route change being to operate via Mayflower Street and Western Approach again rather than Drake Circus, as really it was only sent down Charles Street so it would be on the right side of Royal Parade to take up a 43.
35 has a timetable change but the 16 doesn't - again maybe these two are being split?
What's more interesting is the 20A. It's included with the 'normal' 20 registration but also in 'Operating between ROYAL PARADE and DERRIFORD HOSPITAL given service number 29/20A'. No idea on this one! The route page for it still says though:
'Start Point Plymouth, Royal Parade
Finish Point Plymouth, Royal Parade
Via Woodford, Plympton'
The rest of it would certainly appear to just be a bit of tidying up; and deleting old routes from the system that finished many many years ago! Other things we can see are the 30 is withdrawn - not surprised really given the increased frequency & deckers on the 29. The evening trips at present come off the 129 to Horrabridge which runs dead to Derriford for the 1710 30. 14D/26A say they're withdrawn - I wouldn't be surprised if the 14D at least is numbered into the 21/21A.
I expect the 29/20A should read 29/29A. Probably a typo as there is also a 20/20A listing.
Deletenothing about torpoint buses running empty no one use them ,first is king of the roads there
ReplyDeleteWhat's the route change to the 5/5A, more of Plymstock to be served?
ReplyDeleteCitybus aren't doing themselves or the travelling public any favours by keep changing things like this. Seems excessive to me and I wonder whether its a case of someone justifying their job???
ReplyDeleteNot knowing the detail of these changes it's hard to say, but with the strict regulations on punctuality now these may just be adjustments to suit current traffic conditions. Does that do the travelling piblic any favours, hard to tell. If the bus is scheduled at 5 past but usually arrives at 10 past should the timetable reflect that? Or is all the customer angst over service changes, all the cost of new publicity, the cost and disruption of (possibly) new duties really worth it for 5 minutes?
DeleteThere seems to be a complete withdrawal from Plymouth College and City College (CFE) services) - I wonder if there is a problem maintaining out-stations in some places. Unless, of course, some of them are going to be replaced by full registered services .....
ReplyDeleteSome of the cancellations may be a tidying-up exercise - but, surely, if the service ceased to operate but the registration wasn't cancelled, could not the TC be after them for failing to run a registered service? With a PI and a juicy fine, of course.
Keith
Howcome it mentions about service 78 (Bodmin) and 97 (Tavistock), they went years ago!
ReplyDeleteBill.
Regarding punctuality, it should be remembered that there are many reasons why a service can run late, but NONE AT ALL for running early. 8 and 9 you need to watch your depaarture times from Royal Parade.
ReplyDeleteAs a citybus driver, I'd like to say people don't realise I think that all buses these days are tracked by gps, also some stops elburton primary for example have transmitters so if a bus runs early it is flagged, I don't know of ANY driver that ever runs early! Also the 8/9 leave from outside the citybus shop where the radio system/managers and inspectors reside. I guess people may see a bus leave "early" when it is actually late, the 8/9 run with the 23/24 at the moment they are experiencing delays on to thill road then throwing drake circus as well and you can see how late they get.
Deletemost of the stuff on vosa is old stuff which they haven't removed. ie, some schools night buses. changes to 5/5a was from last set of changes. the only reason pcb are changing things is to protect their territory and keep the business viable. first, or any bus company in a major city would do the same.
ReplyDeleteSingle, return and Dayrider fares are going up again at the same time
ReplyDeleteYeah funny how its the poor customers who already have the expensive fares made to pay more isn't it? Fares over £3 return going up? That would be Southway, Whitleigh, Plympton etc, the outer estates...oh hang on, is that where First aren't going as yet ? Meanwhile the inner/lower fares stay the same, where First are competing..Funny that!
DeleteWe need First in Southway etc please if you are reading this at the Ride.
fyi the adult dayrider is going up to £3.70 on 20th april. some singles are going up by 5p and some returns by 10p. these go up on 9th march. so hardly going up at the same time is it!
ReplyDeleteA quick look on Traveline shows the 27 returning to half-hourly, but only running City - Deer Park. And there is currently no sign of any daytime services up Shallowford Rd or to Mainstone, but I'm sure more will become clear in the coming weeks.
ReplyDeleteSummary of changes:
ReplyDelete5 will follow current route to Latchbrook then returning to Fore Street via Oaklands and the fire station; the 5A will do the reverse but also with a slight detour in St Stephens via Back Hill instead of Church Road.
14D Withdrawn
20 current route to Strode Road then Moorland Road - Mudge Way - Ridgeway - Glen Road - Strode Road
20A new service City Centre - Ridgeway - Lee Mill - then Ivybridge via First 180 route
21/A retimed
26A withdrawn
27 Mon - Sat Deer Park - City Centre via Compton
27A withdrawn
28 no change
28A as 28 to Charfield Drive then ASDA - Mainstone
28B (daytime) as 28 to Charfield Drive then Shallowford - Austin Crescent (withdrawn from Derriford)
28B (evening) no change
29 increased to 15 min frequency
29A new service City Centre - Holly Park half hourly
30 withdrawn
34 return to Dernford Street
40/41 return to Mayflower Street to operate as self contained route
42/A withdrawn from Stonehouse
43 operate as self contained route
44 operate direct to Whitleigh Green in peak times/evenings/Sundays then Taunton Avenue, off peak serves Taunton Avenue in both directions
61/62 returning to previous incarnation ie 61 City Centre - Pevrell - Cherry Tree - St Pancras - Honicknowle - West Park - Transit Way - Brake Farm - Springhill; 62 operates route in reverse
61A withdrawn
new 28a to mainstone and asda. new daytime 28b as 28 to charfield drive then church hill to shallowford road and finishing at bircham view. return journey is reverse.
ReplyDeletePrehaps the Scanicas will go for the 20A with 4 of the Enviro 200s on 45. Prehaps 20A/45 will interchange with Enviro 200s on both.
ReplyDelete29A and withdrawal of 61A makes more sense is back to the route the 43A used to do, so people are used to it. Possibly CityBus have seen the first 3A making little impact on them so the 61A matching the route has become no longer useful.
Breaking up the 40/41 and 43 does make more sense and will sort out timing issues. 34/42/42A changes make sense reverting it back, evidently 42/42A to RWY didnt work!. Withdrawal of 30 was always on the cards sin ce last changes. 14D and 26A are just minor and low use routes going too.
27 to Deer Park and 28 no change will mean more services into Deer Park. The changes to Mainstone number and the additions of A and B to 28 is probably logisitcal and timing issues
By the way, I suspect when bus 40 was on the 45 it had been drafted in to replace a broken down vehicle earlier in the day. It might not be, but just a thought!
This is starting to get pathetic. Why are they changing perfectly good routes?
ReplyDeleteJust as it becomes established and passengers are able to develop a routine. The route changes.
Starting to think Pauls comment regarding job justification is actually true!
To be fair, the 5/A has changed due to complaints in St Stephen's regarding the number of buses; and it reconnects people living along Callington Road in respect of the loss of the 30; the 43/40/41 received complaints due to reliability of the interworking; the 61A never really worked due to complaints about not serving St Budeaux, the 27 goes back to it's previous routes due to complaints from Deer Park, and 34 received complaints about not serving Stonehouse. So they are going back to the established routes that people wanted.
DeleteThe 20 is operating a one way loop around Plympton, though it loses Chaddlewood, but that gets replaced by the 20A, which has taken over from the 180 due to complaints that Citybus didn't serve Lee Mill with the 45.
The worst outcome is the mucking up of Honicknowle, Brake Farm, and Fort Austin - again.
If you look at these new changes, they show a strong resemblance to how the network was before the big November 2012 revamp.
ReplyDeleteI am very pleased to see the 34 back down Durnford Street and the Royal William Yard, and the 40/41/43 being split.
The loss of Chaddlewood on the 20 is something I am not at all surprised about - barely anyone uses it past the Ridgeway and I'm very surprised this wasn't implemented earlier.
Eggbuckland however, are major losers in this - they won't be pleased at all.
not that many people use the bus in eggbuckland. its very car dependant. compare it to the 21 21a! if eggbuckland was as busy as the 21 21a, then they would have a service to match demand. that's what its all about.... supply and demand.
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